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scottrnavy

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LPG or Not
« on: May 18, 2011, 12:35:05 PM »
Just about to buy a Range rover classic V8 and would like to know if and is it worth getting LPG?

Thanks
Scott :D
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georgew

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 01:18:41 PM »
I would think it depends on how many miles you intend to do
& how long you are keeping the vehicle for.

A year or so it was a no brainer,
 but the LPG prices are rising in a serious way.

At nearly ?6 a gallon for 'petrol' you might get 12-15 miles per gallon,
say ?60 for 150 miles max.
(7500 miles cost at least ?3000)

with 'LPG' @ 70 pence a litre
 & getting 2 miles to the litre will give 20 miles for ?7.
?70 would give you around 200 miles.
(7500 miles cost around ?2625)

As well as the LPG cost,
 you may well still be starting on petrol so factor that in..

It shouldnt effect your annual insurance costs.

The difference now is as a penny a litre goes on petrol,
it goes on gas these days, & you need around twice as many litres of LPG.

Also worth considering is if the engine is sound
& worth fitting a LPG conversion to.

Second hand system for a few hundred pounds
 & maybe require a Certificate from a fitter if your insurance require, (check that out with your insurance company)
 or
 get a new system fitted professionally. over ?1000 possibly.
http://www.wellsidemotors.co.uk

handy for a quick check on your local LPG prices.
www.petrolprices.com

george
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scottrnavy

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 01:30:13 PM »
 Will keep the car for a few year with a mileage of about 10 to 12000. The age of the car is 89 and is good and sound.

Thanks for that.
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rangerovering

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 03:32:59 PM »
At that mileage I would say it is worth fitting one. Get a DIY kit from Tinley Tech, fit it all and get a specialist to certify it. You only need a single point kit and a sensible upgrade is using a BLOS lpg carb instead of mixers on the intake.
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Graeme

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 04:08:40 PM »
a well tuned v8 can give up to 21-22 mpg consistently    at least mine did with 133,000 miles on it
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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 08:38:31 PM »
I'd not bother - for the amount of miles and the cost of conversion you'll not regain the money any time soon.  plus LPG will burn the valves of a rover V8
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rangerovering

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 10:14:13 PM »
Quote from: POAH on May 18, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
I'd not bother - for the amount of miles and the cost of conversion you'll not regain the money any time soon.  plus LPG will burn the valves of a rover V8

Since when?

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 11:14:42 PM »
180,000 on an H plate Discovery 3.5i with LPG and still had the original valves. I would recomend LPG to anyone doing 10k plus per annum and holding onto their vehicle for a few years.
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geoffg

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2011, 08:26:03 AM »
I'd say the only downside with lpg in a Range Rover classic is the space taken up with the tank. To give you a decent size of tank, it would take up half your loadspace and do away with the advantage of folding the rear seats down.
Quite alarming, George, filling a certain 110 from near empty especially as it has a 200L and a 90L tank  :o
I'd go for lpg, Scott.
Geoff :)
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georgew

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 08:30:59 AM »
 ;)
Probably why you maybe 'used' to see Military Show vehicles on gas running up farm roads to places with LPG powered grain dryers,
 before taking a long run someplace. (with their 400 litre capacity tanks)
Obviously not to be condoned.

george

EDIT ps,
for any one heading the way of some 4x4 events with big tanks,
 the cheapest pump price i know is still Kilmarknock, A71 (Spar/BP) & the price gets cheaper next time when they stamp you loyalty card.
www.petrolprices.com
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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 09:17:35 PM »
If you haven't bought the rangie yet, then it will be much cheaper to find one with lpg already fitted. They're more common than you might think - I found my lpg defender in Glasgow.
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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 11:05:55 PM »
How can a Range Rover return 22 mpg when My disco (and other people I speak to) only returns 16 mpg?
Both vehicles use the same gearbox, axles and diff ratios and the RR is probably half a ton heavier.
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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2011, 11:23:14 PM »
Quote from: ffourphantomfixer on May 22, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
How can a Range Rover return 22 mpg when My disco (and other people I speak to) only returns 16 mpg?
Both vehicles use the same gearbox, axles and diff ratios and the RR is probably half a ton heavier.

Other way round, the Disco is heavier because of the extra steel to give strength to the higher roof.

It is very possible to get 22 mpg, the RV8 is strangled by the stock induction and exhaust systems as well as pretty poor flowing heads. The more power released the better the mpg. Mine will struggle to do more than 17/18 on LPG because of the power limitations of the 3.5, a 3.9 or bigger can do over 20mpg no problem. That said I could probably get close when the Piper cam, standard thickness head gaskets (heads are skimmed) and ignition gizmo get fitted ::) Well we can dream eh? :P
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georgew

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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 08:25:17 AM »
re weights.
There are lots of printed Specs & given weights unladen for early RR's & Discovery's.
UK & USA spec. are very different weights.

Basically they are around about for a Discovery 1989-1998
TDi 2080kg,
 V8 2060kg,
 V8cat 2060kg,
some charts show a Disco @ around 2012 kg unladen
 & a RR Classic 1994-1995 @ 2011kg

A 1994 Range Rover 4.6 HSE has or had a actual kerb weight of 2220kg

The thing you can be sure of is the Discovery getting lighter quicker as it rusts away sooner.
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Re: LPG or Not
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 07:28:13 PM »
since always

Quote from: rangerovering on May 18, 2011, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: POAH on May 18, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
I'd not bother - for the amount of miles and the cost of conversion you'll not regain the money any time soon.  plus LPG will burn the valves of a rover V8

Since when?


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