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tgreer

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Engine swap
« on: July 24, 2010, 12:50:16 AM »
Hi All,

Looking for some guidance from you knowledgeable people!

My land rover (S3 109" Hard Top) has a 3L Essex V6 in it.. with that engine in it i'm looking at nearly 2k for insurance... with a standard 2.25 petrol in it i'm looking at 600... part of the problem is my age, i'm only 20...

So explanation over my questions are these:

Do you think I should keep the Essex or should I swap it out for the standard 2.25L petrol?
Can the 2.25 petrol pull the land rover respectably?
How much can I get a 2.25 petrol engine for these days?
Is the swap easy enough?

Any help would be much appreciated :)

Thomas
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georgew

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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 08:54:42 AM »
I would try & find an insurance company that will insure a modified vehicle for a younger driver,
 & not hammer you.
www.premiumchoice.co.uk
They might be restrictions now on young drivers with the 4x4 policy they do regularly, (cover with KMG)
BUT they might find you cover somewhere with someone..
They gave me cover for a 22 year old driving a V8, for ?950,
 that was without NCB being used.

Others might have someplace that they can recommend,
 but check out Footman James, Adrian Flux, NFU etc.
all the best.
george
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tgreer

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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 02:13:37 PM »
Any other suggestions?
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 03:37:57 PM »
If it was me faced with that insurance quote,I'd be considering putting the 2.25 petrol back in until i'd accumulated some NCB etc, and to bring the premium down. From 2K to 600 is quite a difference. There was another youngster on here asking the same question, and i think he 'de-modified' his series.

My 109 is diesel, and its quite some time since ive driven a petrol Landy, so i cant really compare, but my old girl pulls as respectably as an old series can. ( I dont tow heavy loads-i use the van)  She's no speed machine but then she's an unmodified series, but she can keep up with modern pace.
I'm no expert on the mechanical side off it, but im sure other people will help you on that one. :)



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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 03:47:18 PM »
I have a 109 2.25 petrol  109 it trundles along at 55 mph unless i have 2 motor bikes 2 passengers and a dog going to Dornoch :).

Getting an engine wont be expensive,why didnt u just buy one with a standar engine?
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 03:49:40 PM »
I went with Premium Choice as suggested by George when I bought the 110 off him and pay about ?240 fully comp. And that's slightly modified in that it has a 4.6L RPi engine in it. They are very helpful.
geoff :)
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 09:04:55 PM »
Quote from: sthrifty on July 26, 2010, 03:47:18 PM
I have a 109 2.25 petrol  109 it trundles along at 55 mph unless i have 2 motor bikes 2 passengers and a dog going to Dornoch :).

Getting an engine wont be expensive,why didnt u just buy one with a standar engine?

I was foolish and daft and bought it without thinking much :P
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 12:42:44 AM »
am sure folk will correct me if im wrong but i think the insurance's biggest gripe will be its a none landy engine. may have had less grief if it was a newer version ie 2.5 instead of 2.25 but your into real modified teritory with insurance id think. im still thinking on my fleet just now but before i buy or look at a landy i run insurance quotes to get an idea what diferent motors/changes cost
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 12:50:30 AM »
My 2.25  petrol went fine 50-60 ish but fuel consumption was an issue dont you fancy a 200 tdi and remove the turbo relativly easy to convert run forever and decent mpg!!
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tgreer

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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 08:36:06 AM »
Quote from: Buffalo Bill on July 27, 2010, 12:50:30 AM
My 2.25  petrol went fine 50-60 ish but fuel consumption was an issue dont you fancy a 200 tdi and remove the turbo relativly easy to convert run forever and decent mpg!!

The problem is as jumbo says non standard engine, its a modification... if it was the 3.5 V8 from the stage one I don't think they'd care
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 09:17:04 AM »
The way Premium Choice look upon modified vehicles is that if you're going to spend time and money on carrying out mods, you're unlikely to wreck your motor.
geoff :)
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georgew

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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 09:23:24 AM »
Some info on engine that might intrest you.
www.glencoyne.co.uk/200di.htm

Have you spoken with the Brokers that deal with classic/modified vehicles already,
 going for limit annual milage etc?
Are they putting the high cost of cover down to age,
& will they provide cover cheaply/reasonably with any type of non standard fitment/replacement engine?


Have any of the specialist Insurance Brokers asked you details of the engine other than the CC's?
The Ford V6 conversion was very common
 & never a problem/expensive for insurance having one installed in a LR,
 other than the age of the Main or named driver.
(i have had 2 vehicles with them fitted in the past & really liked the engine)
www.steve-parker.co.uk

I have never been asked the make or bhp etc when declaring an engine swap, only some details of the modification & a declaration.
Is the conversion proffesionally carried out ? etc.

As i said previously i got cover for a 22 year old.
well just renewed this week for him at 23,
 & its ?725 fully comp for a 3.9 V8 LPG Disco on a 4x4 policy without using his NCB which is on  his road car.
Thats a standard engine tho & only modified suspension & wheels/tyres.
all the best.
george
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 09:27:58 AM by georgew »
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 09:30:02 AM »
geoffg: They wouldn't insure me because of bhp increase..

georgew: On the phone to lancaster just now, 2nd company to ask details of engine swap.. They're away to speak to underwriters

Adrian Flux are putting it down to age and the fact I had an accident last year (car spun out due to ECU failing).

NFU won't give me insurance cos of my age and theres no relation to the company (ie my family dont have anything)
Footman James won't touch me.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 09:32:48 AM by tgreer »
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 10:14:10 AM »
 :)
 Cars didnt have ECU's when i was young & had the occasional motoring mishap,
or i might have been using that one.

Maybe you will find someone with a good running Series in your area that fancies fitting an engine like yours
 & can do a mutual swap to keep costs down.
(Someone with work space, tools & knowledge will be a boon)

Worth advertising if you luck out with the insurance.
what is your area?
george
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Re: Engine swap
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 10:51:12 AM »
WOOOHOOOO!!!!

Nevermind engine swaps, Lancaster have given me a nice quote of 300quid

Dear Mr Greer,

Thank you for submitting your quotation form.
We have calculated a premium based on the information
which you have provided.
Premium: ?323.70

Woop Woop
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