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General Category => TECHNICAL CHAT => Topic started by: sthrifty on July 27, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
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A.t the weekend my 110 lost power cant climb a hill or get much over 10mph had to be trailered home, the engine does not sound rough just weak,no smoking loss of oil orl water and no overheating.
Any ideas?
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Thought you were going to clear the fuel lines as a starter for ten?
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If that is advised although the filter was clean,cant afford time off this week so taking this oppertunity to seek advice
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Could be any number of things mate.
Fuel filter
Air filter
Knackered CAT (If fitted)
Chocked intercooler
Split air feed pipe
for a start
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knackered turbo hose? your not having much luck mate.
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thought at the weekend it wouldnt rev much at all? could the governor have jamed?
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could it be the fuel sedimenter that is blocked
or maybe turbo or hoses
james
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James,
Bill took the fuel filter off and had a look and also emptied it. No real sign of sedimentary problems
Now when we got it restarted it would have had to refill the filter so that says to me that the full is getting from the tank to the filter.
So is the issue something else.
Unless Mr Mc Ewan has been getting fuel thats a bit off, our local BP garage had to fork out a few bob to fix cars where ther had been water in the fuel.
T
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Tommy there is a sediment collector at rear of vehicle just in front of fuel tank. But not handy when in a field.
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Ok got you on the TD5 the fuel filter and the sedement catcher are at the back on the chassis member hence the confusion on my part :-[.
T
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aah.... right i can check air filter(newish)the rest i will need help advice you cant plug a lap top into these at least i dont think so.
oh i think i can check the pipes visualy or is there a proper test that i have to do.how do i check intercooler and Cat.
Thanks John
would like this sorted by Coulport :) :) :)
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Hi John,
Pull the turbo hoses off and have a look inside, also get a smallish mirror and check to see if the turbo is spinning when power is applied. Air filter clean? Intercooler pops out by removing the top cover and the 2 hoses, then you can give it a good look over and clean the inside at the same time. All guesses im afraid, hard to say what it could be without seeing it first hand im afraid :-\
Iain
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Check the tappets?
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Hi
My money is on the turbo hoses collapsing internally & closing the intake. The hose will normally look ok externally. The collapsing is due to the internal delamination of the hose. If i am correct the cure is new hoses which fortunately are not too dear.
regards
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John,
You don't seem to be having any luck. Like many others I would check the air supply first, since you have been in the mud I bet! If OK I would check fuel supply at the engine, just prior to the injector pump but after lift pump, on the low preasure side. This would allow you to rule out tank breathers and lift pump. This would be the easy things. After that it could be like mine, manifold air leaks and a lot of other things as well.
When did you have the timing belt last changed?
Hope to see you next week.
Regards
Peter
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John with all these suggestions you must find the problem!!!
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The plot on this thickens,Tommy came over to day to have a look,found there was oil in the turbo pipes but not excesive (he checked this with a mate)it was suggested that the turbo wastegate might be the problem(checked turbo all was working).
Tommy had a bit of fidling with wastegate were not sure what he did! however I started it up and took it for a wee run and it was back to normal,my gut feeling its been fuel what with getting on and off recovery truck and me starting it every otherday its cleared.
Any further thought ?
ps if i got any of that wrong T please feel free to correct
pps thanks for your help thats from S too
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I am sure I can be more specific on the invoice ;)
Oh and btw Engineers dont fiddle they make calculated adjustments ;D ;D
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LOL am taking it for a wee run tomorrow see how it is if ok I will try and fix the low box linkage and get it and disco to Coulport
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good news john ;D ;D glad to hear it
ps; tommy, any good with reverse gears lol :P
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Hey Douglas, it sounds like your reverse gear needs one of Tommys "calculated adjustments" !
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good news john ;D ;D glad to hear it
ps; tommy, any good with reverse gears lol :P
Not sure if I have a hammer heavy enough for your g/box ;),
Will take my tools to Coulport, might be able to see a bit more as Bill says its a bit difficult when in a 4 foot mud hole and an audience waiting with baited breath to see you fall on your archie in the mire :D
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I too would suggest Turbo hose delamination, I fitted silicon hoses, problem solved.
Cheers.
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its sounding exactly like mental malcs problem so im a bit more optimistic its an easy fix (if your not mechanicaly clueless like me anyway :-[ ) so i take it if it is this plunger it can be left off, it just means having to be more carefull whether im in 1st or reverse (for the sake of the person behind me at least ;) ) peter came round the other night but didnt want to start dismantling anything while box was so dirty and risk getting muck inside the box, so got a clean up job to do first but if anyone is keen to have a look ;) i will bring extra beer (or tokens)
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There has to be something on the tank thats an easy fix. Dont know about tommy tool kit though. which end of the axe does he use!!!! ;)
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Have you not heard Bill, the "Greenock Axeman" has been temporarily disarmed, all he's got just now is a sharp tongue !!!!!! :P :D
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Saddly Doug has the sharp axe so who knows what might happen,went for a run in 110(recovery following..well Wendy)no probs.Is this a stab in the dark before I went to Genes I put ?35 of bp new super fuel in more mpg claims etc,its now got ?50 good old fashioned Morrisons fuel.
Now just need low box linkage fixed and can play at Coulport.
Thanks everyone
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Have you not heard Bill, the "Greenock Axeman" has been temporarily disarmed, all he's got just now is a sharp tongue !!!!!! :P :D
i've pinched his axe ;D ;D
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Have you not heard Bill, the "Greenock Axeman" has been temporarily disarmed, all he's got just now is a sharp tongue !!!!!! :P :D
Douglas has the less sharp of my two axes, so any Ayrshire numpty is fair game, cheeky :P :P
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Tommy since you are a man of many actions ( master of none!!!) did i say that out loud :o
If i bring my cb can you help me swr it in ?? i have the meter dont even know what to do with it.
Cheers
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I can help you but do remember to bring a hacksaw or shears if we need to trim the antenna :)
Oh and thanks for the remarks, is it a "get me" phase, you are just jealous at my many and varied talents :P :P
I have both of mine (SWR) in the back of the car, I need some help to check my VHF set out.
Just getting ready to leave now.
T
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not managed to fit new clevis pin so no low box,disco to the rescue
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Yes but who is going to rescue that ???
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lol you :) :) am tempted to bring both,as 110 did not to bad in high with diff lock ....I think a certain tank had low and couldnt get up a hill and got stuck in a wee hole
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Yes i think they are on site modifying it as we speak!!!
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what a wimp not using 110 just because its no low box, would let you see how well i managed with freebie since thats never had low box lol
well the tank redeemed its self for that minor incident a couple of weeks ago. it also BEHAVED its self after tommy threatened it with the legendary tommy's mallet :D :D
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Well what would you know after a couple weeks driving around every other day just short trips,yesterday it lost power again.
So much so it couldnt get up the slightest hill,towed it home,started it later and it was fine for 5mins then lost power engine doesnt conk out.
What is it???
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Well what would you know after a couple weeks driving around every other day just short trips,yesterday it lost power again.
So much so it couldnt get up the slightest hill,towed it home,started it later and it was fine for 5mins then lost power engine doesnt conk out.
What is it???
a hint to buy another motor, you obviously dont have enough yet. the 110s feeling lonely :'(
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if only the tax man has descended.however the 110 not lonely it dragged the 88 into the shed on Sunday without a problem,now need to work hard and fine time to get the big shed cleared and tidy.
It might be time to send 110 to garage(wasnt it last august it was at lamancha)oh well the joys
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Sounds like a turbo problem, similar to ruari had...
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surely if the turbo went it would basicaly revert back to a 2.5 natural and have similar performance??? slower yes but still pull ok???
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Thats what I thought its got to be a fuel issue
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will the engine rev ok just not got power to the wheels? or will engine not go above couple tho revs like it was at genes?
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engine revs but wont deliver any power
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ask Ruari... he struggled up the hill outa the camp without his turbo connected :P
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John bring it to the Bathgate Comp, lots of knowledgeable people there, one of them will certainly be able to pinpoint the problem.
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Doug you are asking very technical questions. you been taking coarses we dont know about ???
If you are looking for practice i have a drive full of vehicles looking for some attention lol :D
Cheers Bill
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John,
In a previous post it was said that a 'calculated adjustment' had been made to the wastegate and then the problem went away. Could it be that the wastegate is sticking open and needs further adjustment?
And John, please call me re Wednesday!!
Kind regards,
Sandy.
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The other thing now is, has an additional problem been introduced to the vehicle. Definately time for someone who is expierienced in these engines to have a look.
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Doug you are asking very technical questions. you been taking coarses we dont know about ???
If you are looking for practice i have a drive full of vehicles looking for some attention lol :D
Cheers Bill
yes ;D ;D passed my "diploma in question asking" last week so be ready for more technical stuff :D
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Colin a great idea but dont thinl it would make it under its own steam
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The other thing now is, has an additional problem been introduced to the vehicle. Definately time for someone who is expierienced in these engines to have a look.
How soon does it need to be looked at?
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Soon as possible :)
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I turn my back for a week and you break it again, what are you like? ;) ;)
Would love to help up but too busy relaxing in Ullapool :) :)
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lucky you,would like to have it for 5th and 6th otherwise its disco bashing(hope Wendy doesnt read this) James drove it and consulted his lr guru,who thinks without seeing it that it is possibly the turbo wastegate,
Question? is this a seperate part and if so how difficult to remove and replace olso cost,
Should add that opinion is that its not fuel problem,
Feel free anyone in the know to come and have a look
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please :)
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Been round the other forums and convinced that wastegate is the problem however WD and hit with a hammer? does any one know how to check /fix this,beer tokens available
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The wastegate is easy to check. Assuming the 300tdi is roughly laid out as the td5:
- Remove the heat shield. On the td5 it's 2 bolts on top, one at the back (the one that makes you swear).
- Disconnect the wastegate arm by removing the clip (see photo). Don't lose it.
- Move the rotating arm from side to side. It should offer no resistance and should go all the way to both sides (metal noise).
- If it resists or doesn't move all the way, spray the rotating part of the arm with generous amounts of WD40.
- Then move the arm back and forth until it's completely free.
- Put everything back together enjoying especially the bolt at the back of the heat shield.
(http://yorkie.raguenaud-online.org/SLROC/300tdi.jpg)
BTW, I suspect a 300tdi without a turbo wouldn't revert to a N/A because it's designed to work with a turbo and the air mix would be completely wrong without turbo.
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thanks Cedric taking tomorrow of to have a go at this will report back
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Goodluck mate. Remember don't lose the little clip.
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BTW, I suspect a 300tdi without a turbo wouldn't revert to a N/A because it's designed to work with a turbo and the air mix would be completely wrong without turbo.
hmmm yeh suppose it would confuse the mixture. remember when one of our 3s (volvo decker) blew its turbo (at 3 years old) it limped back around 5mph flat out. but these buses set up so they wont actualy move until turbo is up to full power rather than turbo adding extra when needed
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now put off to Sunday weather was too good
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in addition to Cedrics post found a few u tube clips on how to do it for idiots
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watch out john. some of these clips are MADE by idiots lol
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Had a similar problem with my td5 turned out to be fuel pump. Hope this helps.
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It could be the pump, but on td5 you'd know because either it would make a squealing noise as if there was air in the system, or it would be completely silent. It's normally easy to test with a gauge connected where the temperature sensor on the FPR is (or inline) that should show a constant 4 bar.
I don't know how the 300tdi pump works so I can't say anything regarding that.
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The joy of being a taxi driver picked up a guy today who lives not half a mile a way,who just happens to be a land rover trained mechanic,he agrees symptoms poss waste gate and is coming over next week for a look,by god I will kidnap him sort out another few wee things :)
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for heavens sake. now hes dragging out passengers to repair his fleet. what next? :D :D
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No mechanic is safe lol
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The joy of being a taxi driver picked up a guy today who lives not half a mile a way,who just happens to be a land rover trained mechanic,he agrees symptoms poss waste gate and is coming over next week for a look,by god I will kidnap him sort out another few wee things :)
Why was the mechanic in a taxi John, had his car broken down ? :D :P
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lol no he had gone to the pub after giving up on a fuel problem on a D3
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Typicaly unreliable phoned him a few times and cant pin him down to a time to pop over its driving me mad seeing the 110 just sitting there,just have to save up and get it to garage :(
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Aw poor didums ::)
We can catch up at the weekend and sort out a few alternatives, even if it means towing you to the garage, suggest you get a few quotes so you know what its costing and who is the cheapest.
Chin up old fruit :)
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Its not end of the world it seems ok to drive a few miles no problem,just lookin forward to w/e and will get on with 110 and 90 when get some time
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After spending every spare minute for the last month working on the house I finally had an afternoon on the 90 rebuild.....completely stumped by a short on the n/s side-light circuit, blows the fuze as soon as the switch is on. The wiring for all the stuff on the back-door is also completely fried, bare wire and melted plastic all the way from the switch to the ignition live block in the dashboard. Looks like its going to be a tedious job tracking down whats melted into what. :'(
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nightmare i had a similar problem sorting it is time consuming. Better off with the house lol
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Typicaly unreliable phoned him a few times and cant pin him down to a time to pop over its driving me mad seeing the 110 just sitting there,just have to save up and get it to garage :(
John, if the problem is a sticky wastegate, then you can easily do it. It takes 5 minutes + 1/2 hour swearing at the bolt at the back of the heat shield. It won't cost you anything to try.
Most garages (including LR independents) will tell you that you need to replace the turbo (about ?600 installed) because that's what LR says. That's my experience of all 3 independent LR garages in and around Aberdeen.
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Many thanks to James who came over today and sorted the sticky wastegate rod and to Cedric for his pictures and advice,true job 5min,getting at it 40,thats landies.
Went for a blast 50mph up hill no prob will report back after a longer run tomorrow fingers x.
Now what next :)
ps thanks to all who gave advice
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whens the rest of the fleet getting sorted then lol
no excuses for next tyro then....or you have to think up new ones :D :D
glad to hear it though
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LOOKING for a cheap 101 for next tyro,see u up the trossachs shortrly
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a 101 :o :o :o oh no that would really please the neighbours......
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a 101 :o :o :o oh no that would really please the neighbours......
Pardon my ignorance but what is a 101?
Is it a typo or some hybrid Landy
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a landy on steroids...... :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_101_Forward_Control
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Must have taken you ages to type out that link :D
At least the 110 is running, pleased for Mr Mc Ewan. Probably get him up and down to BoT
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a 101 :o :o :o oh no that would really please the neighbours......
Pardon my ignorance but what is a 101?
Is it a typo or some hybrid Landy
1 Tonne Forward Control. The big boxy jobs built for the Army as gun tractors, also converted as Ambulances and various signals bodies - "Vampyre" the radio intercept one being my favourite. Also described as a "Range Rover Cabriolet" because all the running gear is a V8 Rangie. Awesome off-road capability. Note the Wiki gets the spelling of Vampyre wrong and does not mention that Luxembourg bought some.... I'll take the anorak off now shall I ?
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copy n paste ;) ;)
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I would love one as they are getting rarer,drove one offroad at lamancha and once i got the hang of the gearstick position and the fact the front wheels are under your butt no bonnet it was a dawdle ;D
Now i need to get on with the 90 thats a call to a coms engineer as its only electrics now
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:)or to Gene who seems to be having lots of practice recently
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Now i need to get on with the 90 thats a call to a coms engineer as its only electrics now
My you are subtle matey :D :D
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one tries ;D see you Sat oh av a wee cb job 4u
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one tries ;D see you Sat oh av a wee cb job 4u
Aye no probs but remember to bring your wallet ;)
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Why???? theres nowt in it ::)
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Why???? theres nowt in it ::)
Bank card will do... I accept cards :P
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lol you will be ok its just a tommy think
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I would love one as they are getting rarer,drove one offroad at lamancha and once i got the hang of the gearstick position and the fact the front wheels are under your butt no bonnet it was a dawdle ;D
hey try it when your front wheel is BEHIND you, along with another 30 odd feet. thats when the fun starts ;D ;D
i think a 101 could be very addictive. mind you so would your airmiles courtesy of the local filling station ::)
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ok solved the problem on this motor today it was a blocked fuel line blasted it with the compressor and motor came alive.
Just a update incase anybody else has the same propblem
Cheers Bill