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Events => PAST EVENTS => Topic started by: AKM on August 19, 2012, 08:15:44 PM
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Just want to say another huge thank you to the organisers, fantastic event. Big Eck, Sharon, Timekeepers and all the Marshalls. I had a fantastic 2 days!! A few bruises from a few of the big holes that jumped out of no-where!! Also thanks to Allan for allowing me to drive the majority of the laps ! Although next time he 'advises' to stay further left in the mud hole I will just ignore him so I don't get stuck!!
And the sun even shone 8)
Thanks again and looking forward to the next one in September :-)
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what a fantastic weekend that was huge thank you to every one involved great company and very well ran superb course although it has taken its tole on me and the car
big thank you to eck and sharon for setting up and running the event without them the event wouldn't have happened role on drumclog
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It has already all been said but I would also like to thank Eck, Sharon, Jools and all the people who gave up significant and considerable time to make the event one of the best yet. I would also like the thank the club for paying Brian Reid the landowner the fair weather supplement as the sunshine was welcomed by all.
From our point of view it has taken 5 years to get a finish at this event. And if it wasn't for the gentleman Colin Stevenson welding our car back together we definitely would not have finished this year either. Very gracious of him to do so in the circumstances. No-one wants to benefit from others misfortune but that is racing. Very disappointing to see Colins immaculately prepared car come to grief for the first time in ten years or so. It was obviously Aileens fault as it rolled on her side first but I am glad neither of them were hurt. For those who witnessed it or saw the youtube it was a significant roll and shows how strong the Simmbughinnis are. Glad that I could take Colins mind off his sore neck etc by giving him a welding job just minutes after his own disaster.
We had a great weekend and enjoyed the format. I enjoyed the dusk racing, especially before I had to switch the lights on....
What are peoples thoughts on a 11am to 3pm and 6pm to 9pm arrangement in the future? That gives everyone an earlier finish and time to chat or fettle the cars as appropriate. Or just 12pm to 7pm?
A big thank you to my team, Malcolm and Patrick for keeping the car going. I have to say they had an easy time as they only had to fill the fuel and the water, clean the windows, change the plugs, change the coil pack, change a wheel, change the fuel pump, change the air filter, remove and clean the crankshaft sensor, empty the swearbox, repair the faulty wiring on the washers and wipers and assist with the weld to the back axle kindly and ably performed by Colin. Thanks guys.
Brian
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Well another event down and another pile of broken bits in the garage but hey what a way to break them!
The rain was stopped at 10 am on the Saturday and was not allowed to start until the gate was pulled closed on the Sunday! The timing was simply impeccable but that summed up the entire weekend. As a participant (allegedly), behind the wheel it was eye opening to have witnessed the sheer volume of work that goes into making these events happen. The course was cited a few weeks back and the first peg was bashed in on Monday morning, yup a full week ago. I now feel guilty every time I hit an arrow cause I know now that the Comp Safari Pixies had no hand whatsoever in planting it there. Nope, they were all carefully planned, seperately considered and then bashed in. Some were pulled out and moved to get a better course and having driven it. I must say, it was the dogs doo dah’s!
Big Eck, Sharon, Dougie T, Jools and Brian Reid the ever obliging landowner were often there in the pitch black last week bashing, building and shovelling. Eck was even heard shouting “Where’s the whip, I need some pain?!”, although it was dark and I may have misheard it…… Land Rover Club you say???
A few other thank you’s from me over the weekend….
For the timing and radio teams, I did spot a few new younger faces in the club trailer either that or DB’s efforts to install new illumination have knocked a few years off the regulars? To the marshalls around the course who day and night kept us or perhaps just me going round. Despite the fleeting glance we see of you all on the way, it’s great to see the encouragement and the keep it going gestures, we do see you. (Hope the wedding goes equally well).
To the scrutineers, you are there for our safety and those second set of eyes, pick up on the things that we missed or overseen often in the late hours prior to an event.
There will be so many that I have not listed above but your efforts are greatly appreciated.
Finally, thanks again to my fellow diesel competitors, for Robert for blowing the head gasket on his racer and donating his pushrods and for Mr Cool, aka Alan Crow, who despite Car 14’s willingness to go for an early bath, kept it going.
Hope you all had a safe journey home, some had much further than me to travel.
So as I was nodding off last night, a phrase seemed to sum it all up “Never in a comp safari was so much owed by so many to so few”.
Thank you again, hopefully to see you all at Drumclog.
Ps – And a special mention to Zander, two soddin years I’ve waited and finally, at last I got to overtake someone!! The crowd were going wild and then I heard you only had two wheel drive, burrger!! Oh well, in my little world I got to pass someone
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Well it was my first time as Clerk of the Course and I have to be honest it definitely won't be my last! Even though it was stressful at times, I actually rather enjoyed it! But that would have not been possible without the help and support of the Marshals, Competitiors, Landowner and the service crews!
First on the list of thanks, Alec McCormack (aka Big Eck). He is an absolute legend! We began setting up Bathgate Comp on Monday morning, with me be unable to drive. Eck done all the hard graft, I simply read the map, took in the views and handed out the orders! Over the duration of the weekend Eck kept things running smoothly out on the stage! THANK YOU ECK!
Next up, Brian Carlin and David Bartlett for getting the electrics and lights fitted to the new Club Trailer. It certainly made Michelle Stevenson and crew happy on Saturday Night!
To Jools Spicer, thank you for bringing your digger along but your lap times weren't that impressive, could I suggest you tweak the diesel pump. Since as they say no smoke, no poke!!
To all the Marshals who came along, we hope you likewise enjoyed the event.
And last but not least to the Big Man upstairs for arranging the weather.
It makes the hard work worthwhile when it all runs to plan and the service area is full of happy faces. See you all at Drumclog. So let me have a response as to who will be attending. Drop me a PM on the forum.
Thank you,
Sharon
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......and I'll say it again. Many thanks to Sharon, Eck, timekeepers, marshalls and anyone else involved for all the hard work, time and effort you have put into staging an outstanding event. We all had a brilliant weekend, while the racing was excellent it was also a great social event for organisers, competitors and spectators alike. (even the local constabulary joined in)
Regarding format I am quite relaxed about whatever we do. Both of Brians suggestions sound fine. Night racing is fun but not everyones cup of tea, more importantly it puts significant pressure on the organisers and entirely depandant on good numbers of marshalls. Some aspects of motorsport are experiencing dwindling entries and struggling for the essential volunteer support we require so the priority should be to secure enough support to run our events and base the format on that. Obviously this is my view as a competitor, what is the preferred format for the organisers /marshalls? Whatever the future holds we need to make sure there is at least 3 acres of service area for Chris, Charlie, myself and our growing entourage together with the big top circus tent!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all who helped keep me and car 7 going for the weekend.
See you at Drumclog
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Absolutely top weekend..big thumbs up to all the organisers and great job Sharon as debut clerk of the course :) Thanks to both Colin and Mark who gave me my first experience of Comp Safari racing..I hope team Stevenson and Simbug are back on track soon after our wee downhill adventure :o
Note to self before Drumclog..must improve on the camping facilities..I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot than sleep on that mat thing another night!!! The dog had a better nights sleep!! Many thanks to Pauline for my wonderful cooked breakfast...what a treat!!!
see you all at Drumclog...
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A top class weekend and again many thanks to Sharon,Eck and everyone who was involved but I think it is also
time we as drivers try and help a little more ,like collecting in the coarse etc but also try to encourage some of these
drivers with cars to take part ,I know I have not been to all the events but thats because my car is crap. But there is one or two who just need a little arm twisting or help to get them out there because after all the hardwork done organising an event like this 12 cars was a little disappointing :-[ If anyone has any ideas how to pull in more cars lets
hear them. ;D
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A top class weekend and again many thanks to Sharon,Eck and everyone who was involved but I think it is also
time we as drivers try and help a little more ,like collecting in the coarse etc but also try to encourage some of these
drivers with cars to take part ,I know I have not been to all the events but thats because my car is crap. But there is one or two who just need a little arm twisting or help to get them out there because after all the hardwork done organising an event like this 12 cars was a little disappointing :-[ If anyone has any ideas how to pull in more cars lets
hear them. ;D
I will be a regular for next year, finishing the tomcat build at present, might even make the last event of this year
dave
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If anyone has any ideas how to pull in more cars lets hear them. ;D
This is a big and complex problem.....
Some drivers want to go faster - but anything over an average speed of 30mph needs a pile of extra people & kit - to the tune of over a grand for the weekend.... and that puts the entry fee up (which some people say is too high anyway)
Some people have also voiced the observation that, arriving with their third-hand racer, operating on begged & borrowed second-hand parts, and raiding the holiday-fund for fuel-money, the sight of expensive motors and extensive spares piles makes them wonder if they're out their depth.
.... you will notice that many of the more local (scottish) middle-tier competitors are missing this year - both of the above have been cited as reasons.
Finally - we also need to consider the people who make the events happen: every single marshal out on the hill has chosen to spend their money (and their weekend) watching other people have fun.... and that cost is getting higher & higher: fuel; food; accommodation (how many tents do you see these days?)
We need both competitors and marshals (and time-keepers, and results people, and "senior" officials) to make the events run...
There are no easy answers... and which ever way you move, you will upset someone.
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Some people have also voiced the observation that, arriving with their third-hand racer, operating on begged & borrowed second-hand parts, and raiding the holiday-fund for fuel-money, the sight of expensive motors and extensive spares piles makes them wonder if they're out their depth.
Regarding this quote I think this is the same in all motor sport but I think it has been proven quite a few times that a big
budget does not mean success and there is no reason why we could not have different categories if there was enough cars,
what we need is people with these concerns to talk to us there is a solution for most problems .As for speeds there are easy ways to slow down lap times in the lay out of the track without upsetting people. ;)
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Expensive motors and piles of spares don't mean you're going to win the event as I think the results will show for each round so far this season!!! I think which ever way you look at it, it boils down to the fact that people just don't have enough spare cash to get out as often as they would like. :-\
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I suspect we will be unable to solve the financial ails that blight our planet at this current point in time but lets not forget that those who have due to one reason or another have been unable to attend the last couple of events have really missed out!
As a relative newcomer to the sport, I suspect I can genuinely comment on my reception to the world of Comp Safari's. I have never felt unwelcome or out of my depth, despite having driven the racer to my first event with an extensive spares package consisting of one tyre and a bicycle pump!! The advice, offers of assistance and spare parts have been relentless. Where in any other sport, particularly motorsport do other competitors help one another as frequently as goes on? We have a fantastic series here, the posts above echo that. I for one am counting the days till our next event.
Yes, new cars with disc brakes and coil suspension have turned up over the years in the shift from leafs, we can't prevent progression. These may be faster but that doesn't ensure a win. To win you need to finish and that requires a liberal dash of speed, power with equal measures of reliablity and skill. I'm not sure that I have any of them but I simply enjoy taking part, are there points for having a yellow car with artistic impression?
As for the speeds, the course designers are fully aware of the faster cars potential and are implementing more frequent technical sections, which everyone loved. They have by their inclusion, added another dimension to the events and have indeed succeeded in reducing the average speeds to comply with the sports requirements.
Whilst it is recognised that there are issues generally revolving around finances, these should in no way detract from the efforts of those who do continue to cut their cloth in order to participate, in whatever form.
All I can say is thank you all once again, see you all at Drumclog. :)
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I think the 2 day comps put some people off and it would be better if there is more info on the 'sunday cup'
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it would be better if there is more info on the 'sunday cup'
Turn up, do all the usual scrutineering & signing on, pay your 45 quid...... go racing.
What else do you need ;-)
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it would be better if there is more info on the 'sunday cup'
Turn up, do all the usual scrutineering & signing on, pay your 45 quid...... go racing.
What else do you need ;-)
When the event is put on the forthcoming events it should be stated that there is an option to only compete on the Sunday. In my own opinion all the costs are getting higher and 2 day comps are no interest to me at the minute.
One thing i think would help Is shorter comps then you don't use as much fuel and the cars will have a higher chance of finishing the events
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In my own opinion all the costs are getting higher and 2 day comps are no interest to me at the minute.
One thing i think would help Is shorter comps then you don't use as much fuel and the cars will have a higher chance of finishing the events
Brian
Sorry to hear that you are not interested in the two day comps and the longer courses. Personally I prefer the two day comps as the travel cost is the same for one day or two. A bit extra for race entry fee and fuel is a small price to pay for the chance of having twice as much fun/racing. I do agree that shorter events are less sore on the cars and occupants. However, shorter courses eg less than 3 miles are of little interest to me eg Auchentorlie whereas longer courses eg Drumclog, Bathgate and Forrest are quite exciting.
I agree the costs are of great significance to most of us including all the organisers and marshalls without whom we would not be able to hold any events.
My view is that if we didn't have two day events we would end up with no events at all due to reduced numbers. I think that without the guys travelling significant distances like Mark, Colin, Jonathan, Nigel, Chris and Charlie etc (sorry if Ive missed you out) we would not have enough interest. There is half your entry for Bathgate mentioned there. How many of the folk south of Hadrians wall would head north for 3 or 4 hours for a one day event? Especially when they could head south a similar time for a two day event eg BCCC, NORC or AWDC etc. I think if it wasn't for them we could say goodbye to the SCCC. I hope some of the guys mentioned above add their feedback!
We have been racing for five years now and could probably list 25 people who have a car sat in their garage and don't go racing anymore. I hope the fact that Brian Carlin has mentioned this subject will spur some of those guys to come out of retirement and do a one day comp, even if it is the Sunday of a two day comp. The more the merrier. And they could turn up, get scrutineered, race and go home. No need for the caravan or big spares package that may be daunting some of you/them.
It isn't that long ago that Team Bart almost singlehandedly kept the championship alive by entering 4 vehicles. Shame that David has had so much undeserved misfortune with argubly the best comp safari racer in Scotland. I hope it gets sorted very soon as he gets to enjoy it.
So guys, a bit more feedback on your thoughts as to how we increase turnout at these events would be appreciated. Remember how much work goes in behind the scenes by a few people for a lot of people so don't let their efforts go unrewarded and lets go racing!
Brian
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I'm 100% with Brian Hilditch on the two day comps for a variety of reasons. The costs to transport, the time to carry out all the pre-event checks, set the course out, do all the paperwork, then gather in the course and finally wash the car down after the event are all exactly the same. The opportunity to drive twice the mileage is a bonus since the competing part is what it's all about, is in not?
It's also worth looking at how many of the guys from South of the border were at the first event this year and that's not a critism, since at most events the English contingent make up near half the field in our Scottish championship but the thought of driving 200 - 300 miles for twenty miles of driving often doesn't justify the costs nor the time. And not forgetting about Colin and Michelle who likewise travel from afar in order to race. So one day events are perhaps fine if there literally on your doorstep but not for everyone. Sunday Cup's fine, the more the merrier and as Ian notes pay £45, get scrutineered and off you go whatever sees the numbers grow.
Perhaps, another benefit of a weekend event is that it allows a degree of socializing with the competitors, marshals and their friends/families, which likewise cannot be underestimated.
But as for me, two days events everytime, please.
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I think the 2 day comps put some people off
In what way? At least half of our regular entrants are travelling 3 - 4 hours to get to the events from south of the border (and one very north of the border!), they only make that kind of commitment because we have two days of racing to make up for the journey. Anyone local or on a limited budget has the advantage of being able to do the Sunday laps for a very economical days racing. Short of awarding prizes for yellow cars, I like to think our Championship has been organised to offer the broadest appeal. But I'm all ears to suggestions and offers of help!
Alan
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Alan as i said it puts some people off not all
Some people work on Saturdays also the costs of 2 days racing and the other issue of accommodation for the weekend all adds up
There is no right or wrong answer everyone has different circumstances and budgets
My main point is to simply let people know the option is there for a Sunday only or the full weekend then it's up to them to decide what to enter
Why not organise a meeting one day/night sometime with all drivers from the past 4 years or so and then everyone can have there say and opinions
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Would it be an idea to gather all the competitors together at drumclog and get their opinions and views on the subject!
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Sharon It would be good if all drivers(even ones who are not competing) could be notified about it then everyone can get the chance to come, I think it's a good idea then gets there views across.
After thinking about the 'Sunday cup' if there is only 5 laps on the Sunday then it might be better to make the 1 day championship on the Saturday then they get more laps for there money
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it might be better to make the 1 day championship on the Saturday
Need to make up your mind about the point of this, do more folk work on a Saturday (so can't compete) or do you want the one day entry competition on the Saturday?
As a club SLROC make a commitment to run events for the members and we do that with the hope (and a bit of prayer!) that you all turn up to take part! On the whole, even through this recession, each competing part (ie TYRO, RTV, CCV) have been able to cover the cost of events and maintain a small surplus to ensure the continuing sucess of the club. What we identified right at the start of the idea to run a one day only entry to our comps was that competitors might just enter Saturday, see how it went then enter again on Sunday if all was well. Nice idea if we enjoyed thirty plus entries at each round, but we don't! If you want to enjoy comp safari racing in Scotland then, putting it bluntly, you have to pay your money and you take your chance! Hence it was decided to make it a "Sunday League" We need the commitment of competitors to keep the events running as no part of the competitive side of the club runs at a loss to be subsidised by the other competitive disciplines, and the commitment shown by our friends from south of the border must be congratulated and serve as a reminder to us all up here that if the SCCC is not supported, we will all be driving a long way south to enjoy our sport!
The organisation of the SCCC season usually consists of two meetings, one at the end of the season to review the years events and again just before the start of the new season to make sure everything is in place for the continuing sucess of this championship, anyone is welcome to these meetings and I will ensure that they are well publicised to all the competitors. Every competitor in the SCCC both past and present is on the email list that is advised of all events and asked for their comments at the end of each season, to date, only three have ever sent me any reply with constructive criticisim or comment of any kind, all of which was taken on board I must add.
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That's why the more opinions from drivers would be better
The club can't meet everyone's needs but it would be nice to know why less people are not competing
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Hi guys, look what we are doing now is what we need to do to keep the SCCC going because I have always said from the
first time I took up the sport how friendly everyone is and how much help is always at hand from everyone involved , this is
one of the reason I think us guys from the south keep coming, I totally agree with Brian Hilditch about the two day events
and with Dsteve about the social side of the events.
The Sunday cup is a great idea as long as the guys who want it are going to surport it, even coming along on a saturday night and have a beer and a chat would be great to. I have been pushing the guys that live close to me to get there new cars finished and there is also one or two sitting on finished cars who just need a little more friendly arm twisting to get out there ,I am sure there is a few of you up north that could do the same, tell them about the sunday cup ,ask them what they want to see happen to get them back don t just rely on the club to tell people ???
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I think the Sunday cup is a good think to those who only want one days racing or who can only commit to one day due to work commitments.but its a lot off expense to travel and compete for only 5laps so in my opinion if the events were running over two days split the laps and have it 8laps sat and 7 Sunday it would make it better for both parties then it would make it a bit more worth while to travel for one day.
My work commitments mite be changeing and mite only be able to commit to one day and would not travel to Forrest or Glendarg for 5laps it's pointless.
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and would not travel to Forrest or Glendarg for 5laps it's pointless.
Errmmm???........At Forrest Estate we only do 5 laps each day as they are about 7 or 8 miles long, hardly short changing anyone there for that kind of mileage and Glendearg is only a one day event, you get all 10 laps there for your money ???
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I think you need to look at mileage not laps, we also may have to scrap night laps to get more in on sunday.
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I will keep this one brief!
If there is a genuine interest in one day Comps then great. I will make the following suggestions in an attempt to move things on and which may possibly result in an increase in the overall participating numbers.
Firstly, I will despite being committed to the continued support of the two day events, will assuming it is appropriate, sponsor the the provision of a new "One Day Comp" trophy. I have listed my initial thoughts below in order to kick things off.
One Day format- The events will follow the current series on the same circuits, with competitors being able to compete either on the Saturday OR the Sunday. Hopefully, that would give the level of flexibility to those who do work weekends. Points would be awarded based on the lowest average lap time for either day, which would allow for events to run with 6 laps on the Saturday and only 5 laps on the Sunday due to say adverse weather. (A little bit more work for Mr Agnew but hey that's what happens when you take the rise out of having a yellow car!!). :) Competitors participating in the Two Day series would in the event of retirement would be ineligible for points in the One Day series. Results would be based on Day time runs only, in the event of a Saturday entry at either Drumclog or Bathgate, where night runs may still be part of the Two day series.
All other rules would remain applicable, ie 70% of laps complete on either day to count as a finish.
Thoughts?
David Steven Car 14 ...The Yellow one!
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I would agree with dstevens as that seems a good way to run it and be happy with that.
At least some one is listening to suggestion
I Myself support the two day events but if my work commitments change a will no longer be able to attend them so it would be good to get one days playing.
However the one day play needs to be appealing for people to make the same effort to travel for it, as those travelling for the two day events. By offering 7 or 8 laps apose to 5 laps for the one day play I feel this would be worth while to travel to any event.
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Lee,
I used 5 as an example, clearly it could 7 or 8 but that would rely on two things.
1. The length of the course ie Auchentorlie at 2 miles and Drumclog at 7 or 8 miles will dictate the number of laps.
2. We the competitors need to get there and get through scrutineering, drivers briefing and signing on etc in order the get the session underway and on time.
D
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Hi guys, lets worry how we will do this when we find out how many people are going to commit to it
all we need at this moment is we are going to run a single day cup, we need to generate interest before we worry
about the rules, if there is not enough interest its pointless.
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Well am coming to drumclog for the Sunday event so what's the agenda????
Mite be able to drum up other people if we know what's ment to happen????
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speaking on behalf of the possi south of the border i would be very disappointed if the series turned to one day events as to make it worth are wile it really needs to be a 2 day event for how much extra it costs to do the extra days racing in fuel and entry fee its minimal compared to fuel costs getting there and general up keep of the cars.
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know one is taking about scrapping the two day events just adding a single day event to run with it
as for the agenda lets get people there and ask them all what they want before one or two start making
the rules, lets just turn up and race because at the of the day thats what its all about :P
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Some thoughts on laps/distances.....
With 6 years & 40-odd events to base this on.... work on a comp driver doing about 35 miles in one day - be that 15 laps of a stage that's just over 2 miles, or 6 laps of a 6-miler.
The numbers change a wee bit for faster stages (Forrest has a significantly higher average speed, so you get more distance for your time.... ~40 miles per day, but for an event that is probably twice as expensive to run)
The other facet you need to take into account, when you want to have the course open from 9am until 9pm, is the marshals: they come down, at their own cost, spend their time on the hill (with nothing but what they have in the car with them), watching the drivers enjoying themselves. They are stuck there until the course closes.... so the longer you keep the course open, the longer they have to sit out there.
(and looking back, there ain't been many drivers sat out on the hill marshalling all day, these past 6 years)
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it would be better if there is more info on the 'sunday cup'
Turn up, do all the usual scrutineering & signing on, pay your 45 quid...... go racing.
What else do you need ;-)
When the event is put on the forthcoming events it should be stated that there is an option to only compete on the Sunday. In my own opinion all the costs are getting higher and 2 day comps are no interest to me at the minute.
One thing i think would help Is shorter comps then you don't use as much fuel and the cars will have a higher chance of finishing the events
fit a diesel?
profit?
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if you think comping with slroc is expensive try racing with the awdc which is really the only option down here,
£115 entry fee
approx 50 miles total ish
blue book tyres
& thats only one days racing,
although there are genenuinly fast cars competing with about 35 starters at most events
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Well mick (sooty)
we pay similar prices as you
And blue book tyres
So your not any more than us plus there is no other option to compete other than slroc(sccc) Sorc in scotland as we dominate the off road scene for comps up here
You have
awdc http://awdc.co.uk/ (http://awdc.co.uk/)
slroc(Suffolk) http://slroc.com/ (http://slroc.com/)
norc http://www.norc.org.uk/default.aspx (http://www.norc.org.uk/default.aspx)
Bccc http://www.marches4x4.com/bccc.html (http://www.marches4x4.com/bccc.html)
Midland off road club http://www.midlandoffroadclub.moonfruit.co.uk/comp-safari/4549277251 (http://www.midlandoffroadclub.moonfruit.co.uk/comp-safari/4549277251)
Panndlrc http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=comp+safari+events&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=comp+safari+events&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)
North Wales Landrover club http://www.nwlrc.co.uk/compsafari.html (http://www.nwlrc.co.uk/compsafari.html)
Wye and Welshlrc http://www.wyeandwelshlrc.co.uk/wnwhome.html (http://www.wyeandwelshlrc.co.uk/wnwhome.html)
All of which offer comps And what ever challenge clubs and events that you attend..
So ain't that bad for you
Ps well done in kov 2012
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For a one day entry on the SCCC is £45 so slightly cheaper than £115!
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Well mick (sooty)
we pay similar prices as you
And blue book tyres
So your not any more than us plus there is no other option to compete other than slroc(sccc) Sorc in scotland as we dominate the off road scene for comps up here
You have
awdc http://awdc.co.uk/ (http://awdc.co.uk/)
slroc(Suffolk) http://slroc.com/ (http://slroc.com/)
norc http://www.norc.org.uk/default.aspx (http://www.norc.org.uk/default.aspx)
Bccc http://www.marches4x4.com/bccc.html (http://www.marches4x4.com/bccc.html)
Midland off road club http://www.midlandoffroadclub.moonfruit.co.uk/comp-safari/4549277251 (http://www.midlandoffroadclub.moonfruit.co.uk/comp-safari/4549277251)
Panndlrc http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=comp+safari+events&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=comp+safari+events&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)
North Wales Landrover club http://www.nwlrc.co.uk/compsafari.html (http://www.nwlrc.co.uk/compsafari.html)
Wye and Welshlrc http://www.wyeandwelshlrc.co.uk/wnwhome.html (http://www.wyeandwelshlrc.co.uk/wnwhome.html)
All of which offer comps And what ever challenge clubs and events that you attend..
So ain't that bad for you
Ps well done in kov 2012
in all fairness lee,
the closest safari for me is at sweetlamb which is 100 miles (3 hours) or at brynnffon whish is also 100 miles away, all the above club events are at best 4/5 hours travelling to get there,
yeh ok i do winch challenges so i might be traveling to scotland/ devon but thats to compete at the top level events,easiest way is to compare it against the bccc etc with the required amount of prep & time spent before after the event,
a days racing just to do testing & shakedown is a days traveling & minimum £300,
i dont have a dog in this fight but the sccc seems to be as cheap as it comes, atleast there is proper offroad racing not all on cat 1 tracks,
i would have come to bathgate if i had a chance of some prior prep & had organised my schedule better,
p.s
Cheers lee, was a really good event, planning for KOV2013 already 8)
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As one of the long distant competitors, it costs us on average £500 per event and anything between 400 – 600 miles “round trip” to attend meetings. We prefer the two day events, more racing for our money and costs and a relatively peaceful night sleep in between. Shorter courses do not really interest us as much as a longer course. A 2 mile course isn’t worth getting the car prepared/ started up for. The vehicle needs a good run so I am in full support of longer laps, where possible.
Even though we prefer the 2 days events, It is difficult for Colin to get away from the workshop on a Friday, (that is when we have to leave!) being as he works on his own and you can bet Friday will be a callout day or someone breaking down, therefore we do not usually get away from Kinlochewe until 8-9pm sometimes later....drive to the event (5-8 hrs), race, have that overnight nap, race and drive back home again(5-8hrs)! It is a very long weekend for us. HOWEVER it is our choice to do this and believe it or not we do struggle ourselves, just as other do, financially, to make it to an event sometimes!.... Why do we do it then? Well we do it because we enjoy the company and the craic of everyone, there is a great bunch of guys and “ladies” ;D at these events, we want to support the SCCC and the clubs who run it, we want to support all the marshals who also come out to watch and help, we want to support the people that have spent the last week setting up a bloody good course for us all to play on, and finally we enjoy the opportunity to get our car out for a play...and a roll ;) I am certainly not complaining about the cost, I am merely explaining “our” costs for us to attend each event.
I agree It is very disappointing when we see now that the drivers who used to turn up to these events do not come along any more, however in these difficult economic times, not everyone has the money to afford these events, regardless of the cost being £5 , £45 or £90. People are struggling and that is a fact right now. I don’t think you will get the numbers this year, and perhaps next year may be more difficult for some. Everyone is in the same boat, and we as a club will have to try and keep it going until others with less income are in a better place to come back and re-enter the racing again.
Regarding the Sunday runs, this information has been on the emails I have received since its inception, extract taken from round 3 email: : For all our two day events this season we are also offering a Sunday only entry for £45.00, your result won't count towards the Championship, but depending on the numbers at the end of the year there might be a prize for the "Sunday League"!it is included at the bottom of the weekend event information, and I understand it is a generic email that goes out to all the members who have ever attending any SCCC event? The Club “have been” telling people about this new “Sunday” cup. I also think it’s a great idea for our competitors to come out and play for a good days racing, and to have this opportunity at a slightly lesser cost. However regarding mileage, as I said before it needs to be worthwhile to even start up the car.
As to speed, yeah we have a bigger engine than some, but as David has already very clearly pointed out, this does not make a blind bit of difference; you just need to look back at the last 2 years championship tables, to see a wide number of different competitors’ vehicles take the top spot at any one event. Just look at my wee Irish friend Brian Hilditch :-* he has been so consistent for the past few years and he has progressed at every level. Yeah he needs persuasion to go out in the dark, LOL (love U Bri :-* :-* :-* XX) BUT this consistency has helped him get to where he is today, and if I’m not wrong he is not very far from the top of the championship table after his successful and consistent 5 years of racing.
We enter to have fun and blow the cobwebs out of the engine from the previous event. As it usually sits in the workshop till then! And it is the pure pleasure of taking part at these events, which makes all the travelling, costs, hardwork, sleepless nights, and bankruptcy worthwhile. If we wanted to go even faster, we would be supporting another club like the AWDC or BCCC, as we would have to travel anyway ....BUT.... We are dedicated to the clubs who organise the SCCC, and that is who we will continue to support as long as they keep going.
Michelle Stevenson
part time navigator to car 1 / almost full time timekeeper :-\ :-\
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My tuppence worth, as an ex-competitor. I enjoyed taking part in the comps 'purely for a larf', as work commitments meant I could not do enough events in any year to make a dent in the result tables. Since my Mum wrote a letter to the teacher excusing me from gym classes in 2009 :(, The Flying Kettle has been parked up, gathering dust.
If, and when it returns to the circuit I would happily enter the 'sunday league' as many times as work would allow but would leave the die hard, pot hunters to the two day events. (Not that I am in any way jealous or resentful :().
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Regarding the super fast cars versus the more standard models.
I do hope people aren't put off by the faster cars that come racing, but maybe it gives them something to aspire to? My brother hasn't always had a flash fast racer! He started out in a home built buggy and then a fairly standard Range Rover, we also raced an old Landie for a while which I drove! And whatever it was that we went racing with, it was all about taking part and having fun!
Pauline